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Frequently Asked Questions on Amendment 10‐A and ordination standards

In July 2010, the 219th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approved a proposed
amendment (10‐A) to the Book of Order, part of the PC(USA) Constitution, regarding ordination standards.
As with all constitutional changes, Amendment 10‐A required ratification by a majority (87) of the
PC(USA)’s 173 presbyteries (regional bodies) for it to become part of the Book of Order. While the Office of
the General Assembly awaits official tallies, it appears that the minimum number of 87 presbyteries will be
reached the week of May 9.

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  1. Please note that the Presbyterian church orginiated from the Reformation. If changing the rules that the faithful abide by is sinful, then I hate to tell you this, but the entire Presbyterian church was founded in sin. Christ changed the rules when he came around; that's why Christians are different from Jews. I think that carefully considered change is a good thing, and it made me very happy to see that your church was considering looking over one of it's rules. It saddens me that some of you rail against tolerance, when that is exactly when Jesus was about. He hung out witht the lepers, remember? The people everyone else shunned? God didn't you give you a mind and a heart to let it go to waste. WWJD?

    by Averyel

    May 17, 2011

  2. Sometimes people who hold so tightly to their beliefs (of intolerance) become the exact opposite of who they think they are. We're all beloved by God, so relax and have some faith...everything will be just fine.

    by Jennifer

    May 16, 2011

  3. How can they "submit to the lordship of Jesus Christ" and ignore the His Word. By this, they are submitting to society's lordship and placing Jesus second.

    by David Ingold

    May 15, 2011

  4. The PC(USA) should consider publishing a new version of the Bible - one that leaves out the passages that some may find "offensive." For instance, Bishop John Spong may find the blood atonement of Christ offensive (Jesus for the Non-Religious, Harper Collins). Of course, that would eradicate Paul's statement that "For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (NASB). Tolerance? How much heresy should the PC(USA) tolerate? The Apostle Peter spent at least three years being taught by Christ. Yet, in the "modern" PC(USA), I cannot remember hearing any real teaching on the letters of Peter to the Church. Is it because what he had to say would offend? It is my belief that "modern" American liberal churches will soon fade into history - when real persecution comes along with a complete economic collapse; which may be sooner than later. Maranatha!

    by Jim Gadd

    May 15, 2011

  5. I am deeply saddened at comments indicating we should be "tolerant." Being tolerant of sin is not a virtue. The "overly controlling" previous language is in accordance with Scripture. If we as a church leave that foundation, we are doomed. Ordaining bodies do not have the right to approve willful continuing sin, just because it is written by humans.

    by John Craft

    May 14, 2011

  6. Yes, we need to show the love of Jesus, and seek his will together. And that includes everyone. We should try to be brothers and sisters in God'slove. We should be inclusive instead of exclusive. However, do we need gay leadership? Some of us have been led by the Presbyterian church (over scores of yeare) to believe that such lifestyle is counter to God's will.,

    by Web Ruble

    May 13, 2011

  7. it is a sad day when we teach our children what is right and wrong, just to have our head of the church told us what once was a sin now is not. I ask this, from now on, when we read the Bible do we skip completly Matthew 19-4-6

    by Brett

    May 13, 2011

  8. I have yet to see any scriptural support for this decision. Can someone provide or was none use? Doesn't submission to Christ require following His word? How do you deal with Titus 1:5-9, or Romans 1:26-7? This is quite clearly a church that chooses follow society than to truly follow Christ and His Word

    by John

    May 13, 2011

  9. Some important questions are not found in this section of the website. Members at my congregation and presbytery have a few which we would like answered: 1. How should churches wanting to leave go about doing so? 2. How will ordained ministers who want to leave be affected as to their pensions and medical insurance? 3. What happens with church property and/or church loans incurred by the particular church wanting to leave the pcusa?

    by Rev. Sandra Luciano-Andújar

    May 13, 2011

  10. You are tempting the wrath of our Father. Sex outside the marriage of a man and woman is sin. And no one who openly sins in this nature is fit to be a leader of the Church. People better learn real fast to fear our GOD. It is HIS church, and HE shares it with those who follow HIM. We do not make the rules of faith for our own benefit. I will pray for your return to the faith.

    by William Hilbun

    May 13, 2011

  11. I don't see anywhere on this web site how the Church reached this decision based on scripture.

    by Ed Monzon

    May 12, 2011

  12. How about some tolerance? ... All this vote does is bring to everyone's attention that we had many in the church who did not agree with the overly controlling [man/woman marriage or living singly in celibacy]. Now the 10A wording puts the emphasis where it should be, on ordination candidates' "submit[ting] joyfully to the Lordship of Jesus Christ... and being fit for office, as determined by their ordaining bodies. . . Hopefully, now congregations & presbyteries can respectfully address the gay/lesbian issue as necessary.

    by D. Schall

    May 12, 2011

  13. I am deeply saddened to hear about this!

    by kim

    May 12, 2011

  14. How do we find out how our local church voted on the ordination issue?

    by Peter

    May 11, 2011

  15. What have we done, we struggle to bring members into the church to worship god. Then we turn around and sin against him. I for one will be looking for a new place to worship.

    by Ed Jones

    May 11, 2011